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Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. But I suspect that since McDonalds first job is being a pastor, it would not surprise me if this was a canned hunt. MacDonalds lavish lifestyle drove Thompson to leave the church. Im holding out hope that my faith in God will survive, but truth be told, some days that seems uncertain as well (, Ex HBC staff, thank you for sharing your pain. The history of church offices is a bit more complicated. Do like King David did (by writing Psalm 51 and signing his name for eternity) sign your name to your failure then go find some hurting people from Harvest and minister to them. I tend to trust her judgment here. Dallas was complicit in this, and hes still complicit in attempting to hide the truth. As for your dig at anonymous people, you are hoping to do the same thing. You wanted your letter to remain in the dark and hoped that no one would know of your hidden statement. This resource is better: https://www.archbalt.org/clergy-personnel-division/bishops-priests-deacons/. Its amazing. this is because the powerbrokers have the mic. This is why he has amassed good wealth. Muff Potter: And if they refuse to see that these guys are nothing more than carnival barkers and mountebanks? maybe a z darn, its just the right word. Indeed. James MacDonald was one the most well known mega church pastors in the U.S. until he was fired from Harvest Bible Chapel, the church he founded and pastored . Known for its racial and economic diversity, the congregation moved into a converted warehouse in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, in 1995. No wonder why Harvest is in such a mess with leaders like you. But hundreds of others have similar testimony. John: When I now go to a church, I want to speak with elders. THis man should never be in a position of authority again, and even less in one of spiritual authority (whatever that may mean). I must be having a rough night. I send my kids to a school literally run by bullies. (Amy, thanks for the clarification on Amy/Lauren). Not exactly the mild and loving spirit of Jesus. The size of the Elgin Campus allowed us to fulfill a dream: A preschool through grade 12 Christian school, to help us implant the truths of Gods Word into the hearts of young people five days a week in addition to the weekend. Its true, though, this is kind of an agonized therapy for me, and I am sincere. JMac will tap posterity for prosperity yet again as soon as he reinvents himself. Back Small Group Harvest Kids Harvest Students College Men Women Harvest Worship Disablities Prayer Care Outreach . My family faced a similar situation years ago. Registration is now closed. God bless you. After seven years, the growing congregation of 500 raised funds in six weeks to secure a former warehouse at 800 S Rohlwing Road in Rolling Meadows. IDK what the other XLT staffers and Elders are waiting for, but they will be judged if these wolves are allowed to set up new lairs due to their silence. Which answers your later points. Apparently, many pastors have opted to preach the gospel for the wrong reasons .. to toss out the name of Jesus now and then while they work their deception to benefit themselves. This man has no shame. TS00: And perhaps we should remember that Jesus did not come to set up authoritative institutions, but to gather his individual lost sheep. Without any explanation, Dee says she is convinced that Hall is repentant. perhaps the other side of this coin can be the joy and happiness of discovering the magnificence of fellow human beings outside the context of christian culture. Which almost conquered my soul. Their churches were of human origin, they failed. There was a letter by Dean Butters that was leaked this past week. Its not as if they have any other choice, as the truth continues to trickle out. We will note however, that within the church, the world elder is not only a reference to age, but also a position or office of the church. Craig French: Thanks for confirming the authenticity of the content, Dallas. Lowlandseer: The NT writers frequently warn that false teachers, wolves, charlatans will enter the church to lead people astray; others are already there and will eventually show their true colours. Time and again, examples in the Bible show light shinning in darkness. If GP will cave to SBC outrage over a tweet in order to GET the contract, what else might they quietly cave on for the sake of KEEPING the contract or for getting the next one? He sat there for years and participated when people were being bullied and abused, being screamed at by their pastor and boss to the point of tears, watching hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent profligately. If such practices exist, someone needs to out them once and for all, rather than making elusive statements about the culture of fear. WHERE TO FIND US. Forgive MacDonald if he genuinely repents? As another new, unforeseen door opened to bring Harvest to the Aurora area, 200 people from the Elgin Campus were sent south, opening as the Aurora Campus on January 23, 2011. Agreed. These execs like CFO Fred Adams and COO Scott Milholland going into church consulting are the most dangerous. Ishy: These churches treat women so badly, but promise men all sorts of things, Matt Chandler says I preach to men. He calls female believers at TVC our girls while hes ensnares them with the beauty of complementarity., NJ: We swore our allegiance to him. They are needles in the haystack, rare and endangered species, last of the Mohicans so I will cheer them on rather than applauding those who masquerade as angels of light. Max: Whew! Covidfrom the start of the pandemic and lockdowns, the Worship and Creative Teams busied themselves with recordings, writing coronavirus updates, and developing worship environments that would be both accessible and God-honoring in the height of the pandemic. We have seen through the falsity of that which proclaims itself the infallible voice of God. I suspect that all of this is true, and more. God says he is the author and finisher of our faith which is a comforting truth. This in spite of the fact that our family was the friendly face that attracted many, the ones who were always approachable, in a way that the cool, distant pastor could not be. The word contains with it a reference to age. Looking at the history of newer religious organizations created in the era of print is instructive and revelatory. Youre barking your wares to a wised-up crowd, and unlikely to terrify many here. Ive got to process that letter. For our setting and ministries, it would be very difficult. A defender of the weak and a rescuer of the perishing or a celebrity who gets to choose the image he parents to the world? In spite of repeated correction they did not let go of this hope while Jesus remained. Therefore, churches today need to endeavour to attain a point where they are able to have elders. Law Prof: I approve as soon as I have a moment. Many have joined the Done ranks done with the institutional church, but not done with Jesus. I call it B.S. I judge not those who remain I truly understand the depth of the manipulation but hope they do not fall victim to the crisis of faith and to the abyss that often follows when all youve built your faith on falls to ashes. Church, this is good advice for all of us! The Evangelical Bubble proclaimed it a Witnessing Tool (as if that was the only reason for anything) and then bought out so many showings a lot of the theaters had to discontinue group tickets. Harvest has impacted me in this way too & I can relate to the emotional impact that you both describe. Dallas, his dad Jerry Jenkins, and James MacDonald also played poker together. On April 8, 2012, their desire became reality as the North Shore Campus launched its first service at the Winnetka Community House. If bolstering the credibility of truth-tellers is a problem to you, your commitments are misplaced (to put it mildly). Lowlandseer: I do sometimes wonder if we read the same Bible. Man if you are looking for a physical church to be perfected and wholly sanctified, by mere men, you will be disalusioned. Leaders raging, even with kids; no one doing anything but continuing to pay. I thought my disgust for James MacDonald was as low as it could go, but when I saw that photo, it took another nosedive. It just completely sets things up for abusive situations. And to link them together as a Body of Christ, each one uniquely gifted to be a part of the whole something the institutional church just doesnt appear to get. Samuel Conner: wonder whether part of the problem lies in the theological DNA of the Western-derived traditions. Noevangelical, Been there, done that, got the t-shirt. Sadly, it is not uncommon to find that in time of great loss, the church is not really there for them after all, that in case of health problems that make one unable to serve, they are quickly forgotten, that the great majority of those friendships have a tendency to evaporate or even turn to shunning if put to the test; that it was all a grand illusion, after all the time, effort and loyalty invested. In 2012, after several decades of developing the worship culture at Harvest, the Vertical Church Band was born. birdoftheair: Size, style, structure, statements, staff..have not guaranteed us safe and healthy churches. That said, the bishops, priests, and deacons are supposed to be models of humility and servanthood. Good Grief. Maybe you missed the point of her post. * Gaga sees them as self-righteous. Peter wrote, Shepherd the flock of God which is among you Paul said, take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers The number of bishops is always plural, but the jurisdiction of these overseers is singular. I was a strong donor who loved the church and served in multiple areasI was in a good place spirituallybut I didnt meet the qualifications. And all of the gold and silver in those Spanish cathedrals was stolen from colonies in Central and South America, where it was mined by enslaved natives, mostly. Jenkins is a former member of the Executive Leadership Team at Harvest Bible Chapel where he served as the Executive Director of Vertical Church Media. Identity, faith, sexuality, and gender--come learn what God's Word says about these topics in light of our current culture. a human-designated term. Dallas Jenkins: commenting from anonymous online handles. So thats just an opinion. (ive mentioned my thoughts on this many times here & there at TWW, so apologies to one and all for yet another one. Personally, I call bull. Nothing to be ashamed of. So this ole guy is here until the Lord moves me along or my comments stop making sense (please tell me if they do). I only point out that the historical evidence is not what we protestants want it to be. I was there (our kids went there for 2 too long years) and it was unreal what went on during and after that incident. Let the truth flow. Or maybe their model for doing church is wrong? He is my Fortress (part 2) Posted on July 11, 2009 by Jeff Block. They stated goal is to also expose hypocrisy and arrogance. Others became trapped by guilt and barely concealed extortion. Max: Friend: What bothers me about the megas is not just the bad theology and oppression, but the sheer size. and bring me another beer. Just let go of the reins, lil woman, and submit to your God-given, masculine authorities . Yep, thats the house on a private lake, Thompson said. (And our atheist friend shows humility, respect, and insight.) I believe if Jesus was here today, He would be sitting around the campfire drinking beer with the boys! Max responding properly (thats all I will say). The mega-masters vocalize Jesus occasionally and even talk about Him from a gospel vantage point. You should make your case by offering proof. I sincerely thank you for this letter and the emotional turmoil you overcame to write it. This was followed quickly by Harvest Bible Chapel and lead pastor James MacDonald who was recently fired. Having read the explanations of some of the associates and enablers who have pulled away from HBC, this does seem to have been part of why they put up with the wrongness coming from the top. You dont have to watch a person for very long to discern whether that person is a grace filled believer or not. Didnt Paul rejoice from prison that the gospel was preached, whether from false motives or true? All of the above is not an option, but it seems hard to pick one over any other. No one is forced to read comments and subject themselves to more pain, however, that discussion could help others in dealing or confronting issues. I implore you to keep a watchful eye on those who cause trouble and make difficulties among you, in plain opposition to the teaching you have been given, and steer clear of them. GreekEpigraph: there is no mechanism at all for pew peons to do as you note and hold elders accountable for anything. Color me cynical here but Im thinking his last name and his media prowess was what was driving that. Dallas, please reconsider your position. chosen by the hand of Jesus? True repentance requires owning up to all you have done, letting the light of truth in to the dark closets that have been hiding the wicked deeds of the past. Note, that they are always mentioned in a plural form. Jeff Chalmers You came to Chicago to work at Harvest Bible Chapel in Elgin with the hope of making movies through its Vertical . "A letter campaign, led by former staff member Dallas Jenkins ( not his first ), which centered on HBC's Elgin Campus and took the illegal recording to Mancow, whom he boasted of controlling . Very sobering time for disciples of the living God, our Saviour Lord Jesus. +++++++++++++++++++++. I dont blame the Thompsons. All of these men, who were deeply involved long-term under visible, ungodly leadership have a lot to answer for. Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. its, like, the top christianese word that means so many different abstract things (depending on whos using the it) that it sort of means nothing anymore. The need for such men is apparent. Trust (Cambridge Dictionary): to believe that someone is good and honest and will not harm you, or that something is safe and reliable. Rolling Meadows, Elgin, Crystal Lake, Chicago Cathedral, Harvest en Espaol, Online. Yet the first line in that post was that Dee would not allow comments. Dallas Jenkins stood with his arms crossed, facing the sunrise, a swath of orange clouds brushing the blue-gray mountains and yellow sky. Looking forward to the recording of a worship night on Thursday, March 2. . (Many self-claimed Reformed do not really know or embrace the God their theology demands, so its not an issue.) I wish that the decision to be a public figure in this scandal was left to the individual, not to third parties. Milholland did this exact same thing at his former church, Hope Church in Memphis. As the Lord continued to increase our congregation in depth and number, we outgrew the Rolling Meadows Campus. In addition to the institutional realities in the Gentile churches that we can read about in the early post-biblical literature, we have Pauls guidelines and, IMO above all his vision of one-another relationship within the churches. When people look back on the history of the American evangelical movement in the first years of the third millennium, I sure hope they will shake their heads and ask why we put up with this nonsense for so long. There are many claims on this blog but very little proof from original sources, only alleged copies and pastes. dee: You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. Theres an AUTHENTICITY in there. (In less than a year, he has doubled attendance.) They deserve each other. Because I was asked to consider serving on the elder board there three days before I leftand the topic of 1Tim 3 wasnt brought up. Echoes of simony as well as James 2:2-4, There are arguably relational dis-economies of scale in social structures. Max: And to link them together as a Body of Christ, each one uniquely gifted to be a part of the whole something the institutional church just doesnt appear to get.Whose job is the ministry?Every believer has a part!When we separate believers into clergy vs. laity, pulpit vs. pew, us vs. them failing to equip and mobilize the saints to do the work of the ministry we miss what God intended for His Church and fall short of living in the Kingdom of Heaven here and now.Jesus talked a LOT about living in the Kingdom we would do well to read His words living in the church doesnt always mean living in the Kingdom.Based on my 70-year snapshot of the institutional church, theres a vast difference in what Christ describes vs. what we have put together in this thing we call church. And check your privilege while youre at it. Jenkins is jealous that he couldnt run the con as well as Jmac. And are angry. I adhere to the never-say-never adage but cant even remotely imagine EVER being involved with a church again. I can understand your desire not to become a public figure. the powerbrokers have manipulated everyone to heavily invest their finances, their time, energy, their relationships, and their own life in the institution. PRESBYTER = ELDER = OVERSEER = BISHOP = PASTOR = SHEPHERD. You sound like an attorney who just sent me a letter stating that I posted false statements by a victim. In all honesty, Dallas, since Mac and those around him, including you, took great delight in his being a very public ministry with great influence and far reach, this is a matter for public airing. And she is asking everyone to back off. Human nature, I guess. Your desire for those far flung hundreds of thousands or millions whod been influenced by his ministry to know the cold, hard truth shouldve trumped any desire to keep things in house. Churches that are run like cults do not encourage true friendships. You were part of a workforce which brought a feeling of camaraderie and purpose and fellowship. 2 -. And who on this blog doesnt love questions to be answered and truth to be revealed. It didnt reveal anything new. Funny how highly institutional types value the written word of God, yet despise the teaching of godly elders that is available to one and all in countless books written through the ages. This has been going on now for 12 years. Power provides for itself and money and sex. Held himself out as a model. And I know I post too much. When I now go to a church, I want to speak with elders and listen to what they are saying and how they are behaving and whether they are willing to reveal how much the pastor is making. Forget about the so called leaders. Law Prof: He was evidently so invested in making the Dramatic Point and leaving a Big Impression that I dont think he considered anyone else at that moment. For you, maybe, but not for most here. And in January, Moody installed Mark Jobe as the 10 th President of the Moody Bible Institute, replacing Thornton who had served as interim president. It was given to the elders two months ago. im proud to be human. not self-willed Walking in the light means not having to cover anything up and not belly aching when God Himself is the one shouting truth and revealing things from His Mountaintop. Harvest needs to close because there as a beacon to the rest of the world as to what happens when talent trumps the grace of God so feeely given to us in repentance and a broken heart. elastigirl: why does it matter what Max thinks, I took your text out of context a bit, so forgive me. The Elgin Campus held their first service in September 2004 with over 800 in attendance and has become the church home to more than 1000 worshipers every week, as well as the home of our Christian school. I am beginning to feel like at best it is simply not what Jesus intended for us, as it allows to much anonymity, where the church should be a community And at worst it is laced with risks for massive abuse and corruption. Anonymity is not the same thing as cowardice, but thanks so much for playing that tired old game. A people laden with iniquity, offspring of evildoers, children who deal corruptly! (Isaiah 1:4). The damage he has done is incalculable. And I doubt it was simply losing their job, as many of them voluntarily left. TS00: It is difficult to not imagine that the overly generous salaries passed out at Harvest have a lot to do with the leaders who refuse to call for the opening of the books. Ideally, we wouldnt need Twitter and blogs to expose the truth about corrupt churches, ministries, and their leaders. What deceivers do, in the church as well as other man-made institutions, is infiltrate this natural system, substituting charismatic charlatans for genuinely mature and godly elders. Id say largely because the leaders themselves have been told to believe this. Makes me sad to think its so. But they do eventually turn. The posting of it on this website is unfortunate, as are many of the false rumors in the comments both here and on Twitter from anonymous people. (They had to turn away so many customers while the church buses pulled up singing hymns for what had effectively become sold-out private showings.). That brings me great joy, because sometimes I feel pretty alone in this wilderness. There is no question that MacDonald was running the elders. Posted in Theology | Tagged Alpha and Omega, Comparing Myself to Others, Dallas Jenkins, Gavin Stone, God's Sovereignty, God's Will Plan and Priorities, Harvest Bible Chapel, Vertical Church Films | 7 Comments. So this ole guy is here until the Lord moves me along or my comments stop making sense (please tell me if they do). Years ago, I decided to go forth with my name on this blog I did it to help people who have reason to suspect that their identity could cause them problems with out of control churches If yo have a problem with anonymity, take it up with me. A continual cycle without end. In destructive cults that pose as Christian megas, there is evidently an attitude of privilege and authority among those who call themselves elders that is simply nonexistent in the Bibleit seems anti-Christ, actually. At Harvest, the elders oversee the doctrine, direction, and discipline of the church. Then I read actual instructions on the veneration of Elders as of Christ himself. Not only were the target audience all Christians (from the above buyouts), the would-be Soul-Winners went into shock after the intensity of the showing. Open Discussion Page. I knew of one really good church in Chapel Hill (Chapel Hill Bible Church) for years ago. Then, you proceeded to brag on social media about how you werent releasing your full statement and had convinced other men with statements to do the same. Its nice to have a multimillionaire dad. We celebrated Gods blessing of 100 church plants in just 14 years in 2014. The office of an elder is not to be taken lightly. One would think that 3 years with Jesus ought to be transformative, but the Gospels seem pretty clear that the Twelve were following Jesus at least in part in hope of high office in a future visible kingly reign over Israel. hospitable Shout it from the housetops!! Oh, they couldnt get away with that completely. Thus, I try to insert IMO where applicable. Most commenters here are members of the Body of Christ there is really only one Church whether they attend HBC or not, they are part of the fellowship there in spirit. Sovereign Grace Ministries Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. (Ephesians 5:11). Its not all of it, but its certainly a substantive portion. Worse, I believe this shows arrogance on Dees part And believe you me Unless you give facts and verifiable information how do we know this is not part of a plan to cover things up? Thank you for your insights. I hate using this corporate example but if you have a CEO of your company who does not meet the qualifications for that job, what happens? It becomes a social club or a corporation or a cult or whatever. Like livestock for slaughter so Pastor can eat mutton until he bursts like Mr Creosote. I dont know if its just that I got old enough and wise enough to start seeing it or cynical and hardened as I got older, but after going through the 1980s and 1990s able to find what I thought were decent churches, for over a decade I havent to find a place that isnt abusive, heretical, led by a narcissist or all the the above. Throughout the many posts, including this one, there has been some balance and at least an appearance to be open for discussion, albeit without original proof. Accept that and use this springboard given by God to be the leader God always intended you to be. But one way or the other, my instincts about Hall dont alter my opinion that Dee likely has good reasons to not want to use this forum to air a familys personal tragedy any more. id say you are beholden to the public to explain to them with all transparency. I appreciated your comment, John. You also have no idea what else is happening. He didnt. 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