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Richard M, With all this being said, I think we all, myself included are inclined to take ourselves entirely too seriously. I am an FSSP parishioner who travels a lot. I wish I could make your comment flash in bright colors. North American Martyrs Parish is a Roman Catholic parish in Edmonds, Washington, served by the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter (FSSP). Other times we are eloquent, seem knowledgeable and other times appear foolish. All the doctors had it wrong and he wasnt dead then he made up a story. radtrad, Call Father Wolfe and ask him about the SSPX! 3littleshepherds1, Schedule is subject to changes. Faithful Catholics do not have time to be having this debate with the Synod just around the corner. I dont remember reading anywhere that Sr. Lucy said that diabolical disorientation would be the sole purview of liberals or modernists. Saguto, Fr. Gerard Saguto, admits that further explanation regarding Fr. Under the standard of Christ? Perhaps, I should chose my words more carefully. Wolfes gem about things not coming into being by a legal declaration. Dayton, OH Father Wolfe FSSP is the Priest the sermon is linked at the end of this blog: The obituary was featured in Newsday on June 14, 2009. Rapid City, SD Dallas, TX Love your enemies, be good to those who hate you is not a suggestion. I too have been guilty of using the combox to lay off my personal frustrations, and I have also used uncharitable language. Let Voris live in his blissful world. Nashua, NH Now that Father Wolfes role has been made public with respect to both CM and Fisher More, it would be a good time to reread the story of the collapse of Fisher More College with all that in mind, and be sure to fill in what has been said here in between the lines:, especially in the section on Relations with the FSSP: Richard M But if the situation is such that no connection whatsoever with the rest of the Church can be justified, then what you really have to be advocating is full-blown sedevacantism. Father Joseph DeGuzman, FSSP, from priestly ministry outside the archdiocese to chaplain of the Latin Mass Community of St. I ask this question with all sincerity not to provoke any animosity or defensive reaction. That said, I do no wish to engage you there, but others might want to- with regard to this. For example, was the will of the Father being expressed when Pope Alexander VI turned to one of his females friends and requested Well, you get the point. Joseph Terra (hes the FSSP priest who was badly beaten in the attack in Phoenix that killed Fr. For those who are fans of the old Far Side comic strip by Gary Larson, part of his brilliance was his ability to capture how humanity is prone to missing the obvious. Honestly, we all need to be quite compassionate towards one another and realize that we know nothing about each other except that we love the Faith. The FSSP is wrong on the doctrine,principles and the new mass. Gerard Saguto (US District Superior) and Fr. The real truth of the matter is that some of them are not doing or saying what piokolby wants them to do or say. Besides its probable connection to ChurchMilitant.coms zeal against the SSPX, the unraveling of Fisher More College (the presidents fiscal leadership aside) is a stark study just how quickly Church power will coalesce to suppress an institution whose express mission is Traditional Catholic Formation (unless of course the institution was grandfathered in and has swallowed every conciliar tenet proffered since grandfather died). The Society operates from the standpoint of speaking Catholic truth in the face of every attack regardless of the source. Terry, for his part, quickly took on what my friend called his own jihad against the SSPX shortly thereafter. The fact that he has since set up an FSSP parish doesnt really fully redress that injustice, to my mind. No they did not. Richard M, Many cant wait to give the high-five, and say Amen. It was not accepted due to faulty translations. Confraternity of St. Peter Wolfe. Please keep in mind that I am speaking only for myself. Michael Matt interviewed him in Mexico recently, I believe. Dear de Maria, Whether or not they actually desire her destruction, or are simply operating in ignorance, is of no bearing on the present matter whatsoever. In the event that a request were made in the future, the present restrictions on Father Sagutos ministry could only be lifted after our normal review process, which would have to include a recommendation from the Ministerial Review Board of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, Archbishop Hebda added. In reality, it is far more likely the case that it was used with permission, tacit or otherwise, thanks perhaps to Terry Carroll and his Mater Dei connection. marian I was there in the pew EVERY time. 3rd group those that choose only to attend TLM except for funerals weddings etc. His Vortexellency has no authority to make this subjective determination as to willful intent. It is indeed a shame that there is not a single fully traditional Catholic college in the country. Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. Do they care? Wolfe: Schism is not something that comes into being by a legal declaration. I think some charity is in order here. I saw how they themselves maintained true & loyal friendships (which I happen to know continue to this day,) with fellow Catholics who were at odds with them w/regard to these matters. Fr. Light and life to all He brings, throwing light on our blind spots, provided of course that we give the Infant in the Manger the attention He rightfully deserves. The FSSP is also responsible for the break up of several Catholic marriages. I have spoken to/communicated with exactly two FSSP priests in my life. Kansas City/Westwood, KS Will the FSSP issue a public statement saying that Father Wolfe does not speak for the FSSP and his views are his own? I worship in an SSPX Parish and I know full well why Im there. Springdale, AR We can end the discussion on this subject . I am not a follower of the Dimonds, may God forbid. The society rejects the second vatican council and the new mass although officially dont deny the validity of the sacraments as they are in the new rite. Servant of our lady i looked at your two links and read them again. If you are going to give official platforms to statements rejecting the validity of Vatican II and the Pauline Missal without any public correction or disavowal, you have to be prepared to take the ecclesiastical consequences, whether theyre just or not. I didnt see you mention (granted -perhaps I missed it?) And then theres Archbishop Lefebvre, who was more than willing to work within diocesan and canonical frameworks when he erected the SSPX, and asked for nothing more than that when he met with Paul VI. English-speaking Chaplain . We are truly living in a period of disorientation. Los Angeles, CA Their bad fruit is well know. He wont say aloud it now for reasons that well discuss shortly. I too have been heartbroken by M Voris recent rants against the SSPX and have diverted my financial support to Harvesting the Fruit. I was still reading his blog almost daily when it all transpired, and can remember it not sitting well with me after hearing his explanations. Why did the SSPX priest so advise certain persons? Surely not all folks who are waking to the reality of the Counterfeit Church assume those who have already woken up are ipso facto smug? I think they wanted an experienced priest to help Fr. Agree. FSSP Events Lincoln, NE Since I am not under religious vows, my opportunities for disobedience are rather limited, since I otherwise adhere to all traditional teachings of the Church. With respect, atttempts to moderate commmenters on this site have been undertaken by other commenters here before, going back years. In this, Michael Voris protests too much. Im sure some people reading this comment section of louies fine blog will be scratching their heads thinking so many different opinions on the same topic whats it all about.. Im not talking about those who comment but readers of louies blog who might just be coming across these topics for the first time. New Priest Assignments Announced. FSSP Events Where to begin? Nothing more and probably less. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX75xiW2Z54. Have you noticed the fall off in comments by the regulars? Voris then goes on to quote (without attribution) Fr. Beloved husband of Marie (nee Corallo). Allentown, PA Checks can be written to "Mission Tradition." New - Meal Train - Calling all those who want to grow in love of neighbor! I was reading the blogger Leo over on Catholic Truth Scotland and he said a priest once described Vatican II as human respect, dogmatized. Dear piokolby, +Wmson is therefore blind himself imagine St. John the Baptist (or Jesus) stating that the high priests, scribes and pharisees were good people . Watch on EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. LiveMass.Net Priestly Fraternity of St, Peter (FSSP) poses a whole slew of ecclesiological, doctrinal and moral problems. Saskatoon, SK EWTN's Raymond Arroyo recently interviewed two priests of the Priestly Fraternity of Saint Peter (FSSP): Fr. Nada. These are the signs of an unstable mind. The FSSP constitutions in 2003 bound the FSSP to the document that contains lies and heresy. As this unfolds, we lose sight of the individual trees that make up the forest. Keep up the great work. Lets move to Louies next post! Incomplete, because it does not take sufficiently into account the living character of Tradition, which, as the Second Vatican Council clearly taught, comes from the apostles and progresses in the Church with the help of the Holy Spirit. In the early days of the Novus Ordo priests and some Bishops understood that they had to give that scandal in order to protect souls from sliding into heresy and losing the Faith. I, too, had learned much from Fr. IMHO what you point out is important. The very word sedevacantist is almost considered profanity. From what Louies stated himself, he welcomes all voices whether blunt, shy, up front, in your face or the opposite as well as the sedvacantist voice, as mine is. Many excellent leaders in the Church, good holy men and women, recognize the exact same problems, but they havent left. Will the FSSP issue a public statement in support of the SSPX and debunk the schism myth? Barbara, Michael can have his shtick back when he stops using it to attempt to squash faithful Catholics who attend the SSPX. Sarasota, FL Im curious as to why hes no longer in charge (though im not surprised). This is true. Fort Wayne, IN Ad Orientem: Why is the Mass Celebrated Facing East? Nor is it a challenge or personal attack on anyone reading this. The upcoming Synod will be a real evil. I think, as does Michael Matt, that the FSSP priests each have their own reasons for their actions in these dangerous times as they attempt to carry out their duties of saving souls. I suppose that you wont change your mind, as you have said that you already looked at the links above, but I wanted you to know (with my greatest respect for you) that the Lazarus story does not add strength to the thrice-condemned divine mercy case. This is a very short description and in no way represents all the opinions of these groups listed. The majority of sedes beleive the new mass invalid due to the new rites doubtful priestly ordinations possibly invalid and majority beleive episcopal consecreations in the new rite invalid. In justice it should be known. This reality does in fact place the FSSP under the standard of Satan objectively. Dear piokolbe and/or radtrad, We really have no idea what pressure these FSSP priests are under. Dear marian, ********** What they ultimately have lacked, though, is a real sense of contact, intrigue, and love with a Person. For these past years weve all been discussing how Pope Francis couldnt care less about dogma, doctrine, rules and rubrics. This is beyond disgusting and a lack of charity. But not so with you, you came forth to talk. I wouldnt be half surprised if he granted faculties to the Dali Lamma. Father Gerard Saguto, District Superior, FSSP "The thought-filled articles of Latin Mass provide an opportunity for needed reflection to help the thoughtful Catholic navigate the gauntlet of our modern secular society." Monsignor Barreiro Increasingly, Voriss obsession (which apparently is driven in some way by his backers, Mr. Carroll and Fr. Post Falls, ID I implore you to never cease telling your story. FSSP NA on YouTube 2nd group those that attend TLM this can range from someone who may attend a weekday TLM or sunday TLM but who still likes to be involved with their local parish and who sees no problem with new mass. Since becoming a sedevacantist, I have broken contact w/many of my family who consider themselves to be traditional catholics even as they stopped believing in confession when they were in college, attended mass whenever they feel like it, but always go to communion, are sterilized, use birth control, are divorced and remarried, are pro-abortion, are pro-homosexual marriage, dont believe anyone is going to hell, believe everyone is saved w/out being baptized or Catholic, are married to unbaptized persons, never go to mass, raise their children w/these values, never prayed the rosary with their children who are now 35 etc. Please allow us and them to listen to you. Catholics are watching and waiting. I would submit that a reasonably well-formed Catholic of average intelligence can indeed arrive at a high degree of certainty that the dictates of the post-conciliar popes with respect to the SSPX (as it concerns issues surrounding Vatican II and the new Mass) are not manifestations of the will of the Father. The FSSP has a long public and well documented record with the SSPX. Eric Flood, FSSP, who served in that position for the last . Gerard Saguto, FSSP and Fr. The error can be found in document ecclesia dei in 1988 and was made more clear in 2003 with the FSSP constitutions. Thank you for addressing me, dear my2cents. Gruner was yet, so I looked past it in ignorance. Orlando, FL Vancouver, BC every single SSPX priest and bishop is committing a mortal sin when he offers Mass. I got news for all of us here. We have been baptized into Christs death, the greatest act of love ever displayed and graciously made available to all. While the subjective options of Priests and the subjective problems of are friends are real and important the real questions are one of doctrine,principle and new mass. You are supporting evil. And weather.) Brookville, IN Your rash judgement I hope is based on ignorance and not malice. Fulton Sheen coins Him, living in the Church that seeks to unite her members and remain the constant inspiration for our holiness and mutual forgiveness. I like Rad Trad would like to say more but in Justice I can not. You have entered an incorrect email address! Thank you and God bless. Denver, CO Omaha, NE It might seem like a small misfortune, but that Colleges demise illustrates in spades the traps awaiting any future independent and stridently Catholic apostolate that seeks to foster unity among the trad diaspora. Gerard Saguto, FSSP We all have blind spots about ourselves and situations we may be in, and the realization of such things can be quite the exercise in humility. (Ive read more of his ramblings than I care to acknowledge.). http://youtu.be/S_vwwajyASI. 777 Forest St., St. Paul, MN 55106 Atlanta, GA Whether an FSSP supporter is willing to admit it or not, he implicitly accepts the orthodoxy, legitimacy and/or intrinsic goodness of the Novus Ordo, ecumenism, religious liberty, communion in the hand, liturgical dance, server-ettes, If we want to be charitable, we could possibly say that its because of the treatment of sedevacantists described above, that a small number of sedes respond to other trads in a kind of a backlash mode, if you will. I think that for piety, for love of Our Lord, and for love of the Holy Father (no matter how bad he is), we ought to publicly resist his errors based on the previous Popes throughout history. Richmond, VA As such, he looked upon the SSPX and its purpose for existing with, if not with support, a degree of understanding that is now nonexistent. dear salvemur, Until then, Ill continue to uphold the duty of engaging his folly here such as Im able. Back in the day, Voris, out of genuine concern for souls, used to lambaste the new Mass as a danger to the faith. Our only fault is that we have not taken this position. rich, you bring up an important subject, if you will, when you mention the mans evasiveness regarding serious matters of Faith. Subjectively, the pope will recognize their jurisdiction at that point. Will the FSSP issue a public statement saying that Father Wolfe does not speak for the FSSP and his views are his own? This is the document that created the FSSP. 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